[KIDS] comparison of KIDS to SDSS photometry

Jelte de Jong jelte at strw.leidenuniv.nl
Thu Nov 29 12:15:05 CET 2012


Hi Francesco and all,

since I was quite intrigued by the strange offsets in the SDSS vs. KiDS 
comparison for stars (and not for galaxies), I had a look at the DR8 
data in the area of the 10 contiguous tiles in INT-DR2.
The problem here is of course that we need an independent calibrator 
that we are certain is constant over the field-of-view, and the obvious 
thing to me seemed to be the stellar locus.

Here is what I did:
- downloaded the DR8 petroMag data for stars for (183.5 < RA < 186.5) 
and (-2 < DEC < +2)
- applied extinction correction (using values included in DR8)
- calculated the principle colors
(FYI: from Ivezic et al, 2004, AN, 325, 583
p2s = -0.249*u0 + 0.794*g0 - 0.555*r0 + 0.234
p2w = -0.227*g0 + 0.792*r0 - 0.567*i0 + 0.050
p2x = 0.707*g0 - 0.707*r0 -0.988
p1s = 0.910*u0 - 0.495*g0 - 0.415*r0 - 1.28
p1w = 0.928*g0 - 0.556*r0 - 0.372*i0 - 0.425
p1x = 1.0*r0 - 1.0*i0
)
- for the stars with r(petro,SDSS)<18 plotted the principle colors p2s, 
p2w and p2x (using only the part of the stellar locus that is vertical 
in these colors, e.g. see 
http://wiki.astro-wise.org/projects:kids:photometry#sdss-style_principle_colors)

In the p2s and p2x projections I couldn't see anything specific, but in 
p2w there does seem to be a variation, corresponding to the same offsets 
seen in the plots Francesco sent around.
The attached plot shows the p2w color vs. DEC for three different RA 
bins (middle panel is full RA range, top is low-RA half and bottom is 
high-RA half of the area), with a running mean plotted in red.
I hope you can see (squinting might help ;) there is a 'modulation' in 
the top and middle panel, and the 'phase' of it agrees with the offsets 
in the SDSS vs. KiDS comparison!
It seems this effect is stronger at RA between 183.5 and 185, and is 
weaker (or absent) at RA between 185 and 186.5; @Francesco: is this 
confirmed by the SDSS vs. KiDS comparison?

My interpretation on why this is only obvious in the p2w color and not 
in p2s and p2x, is that the 'problem' is strongest in i-band (the 
offsets in Mario+Francesco's plots seems larger in i than in the other 
filters) and p2w is the only principle color that depends on i.
Also, the fact that the effect is very small in p2w (~1 %) is probably 
because the calibration problem occurs in all SDSS filters, meaning that 
the colors are almost not affected.

Perhaps there are other ways in which to go deeper into this, but right 
now I'm not sure exactly how. Perhaps another independent calibrator can 
be used... QSO's or something?

In any case I have the feeling that the offsets we see might very well 
be due to a calibration issue in SDSS, or at least in the SDSS petroMags 
for stars.

Cheers,
Jelte

On 28/11/12 10:21, Francesco La Barbera wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I  summarize  here  the  comparison  of KIDS  to  SDSS  photometry  we
> (Mario+me) have performed so far for  the 52 coadds of KIDS INTR2. All
> plots are included in the attached archive.
>
> Mario has  also performed a  comparison to CFHTLS  as well as  a first
> attempt to characterize of color terms using SDSS and CFHTLS data, but
> I'm not going to include it in  here (we didn't have much time to look
> at it in detail, so far).
>
> We have matched the KIDSCAT catalogs to SDSS DR8, separating stars and
> galaxies according to SDSS classification.
>
> The plots
>
> sdss_${SOURCE}_${BAND}_${FIELD}_full_DR8.png
>
> show differences  in magnitude as a  function of RA  (upper panel) and
> DEC (lower panel), where
> SOURCES -> gal/st refer to galaxies and stars, respectively
> BAND -> ugri
> FIELD -> f135 plots the three fields with RA~131, 135, and 139
>          f185 plots the ten fields with RA~184, 185, and 186
>
> We  are using  petromags  from  SDSS (for  both  stars and  galaxies).
> KIDSCAT  mags have  been  interpotaled to  match  the SDSS  4xPetroRad
> (diameter) aperture  for each object.   Lines are running  medians for
> different bands/pointings (the u-band comparison for galaxies is quite
> meaningless,  considering the  low S/N  of SDSS  u-band  data). Median
> KIDS-SDSS offsets have been subtracted off for each field.
>
> On  average, the  agreement is  good, with  no  significant variations
> (larger than a few cenths of  mags) across the fields. This is further
> shown in the attached plots
>
> cmp_${BAND}band_phot_ra_dec_${SOURCES}_errmag0.05.jpg
>
> where
>
> BAND->ugri
> SOURCES-> stars/galaxies
>
> plotting magntiude  differences as a function  of RA and  DEC with all
> fields overplotted (after subtracting off the RA and DEC of each coadd
> center).   Median magnitude  offsets have  been removed  (as  done for
> previous  plots),  and  only   objects  with  better  SDSS  photometry
> (petroerr_mag<0.05mag) have been  selected. Circles plot all available
> sources (for  all 13  coadds in each  band). Curves  are median-binned
> trends (each bin including the same number of objects), with different
> colors corresponding to different  fields. Notice that the u-band plot
> for galaxies is not included, for the reasons mentioned above.
>
> Finally, the plots
>
> off_${BAND}band_phot_ra_dec_${SOURCES}_errmag0.05.jpg
>
> show  the distribution  of median  magnitude  offsets for  all the  13
> fields available in  each band.  In general, the  distributions have a
> width  of a  few cenths  of mags,  but in  one  case (KIDS_185.0_-0.5,
> g-band) there is a large offset of ~0.1mag. We think it's important to
> investigate why this happened.
>
> I'm also  attaching two tables  (produced by Mario, hopefully  in wiki
> format)  summarizing the  the median  offsets, mad,  and peak  to peak
> amplitudes  in RA  and DEC  (to have  an upper  value to  the internal
> photometric accuracy):
>
> ov_sdss_gals.tab
> ov_sdss_stars.tab
>
> If  necessary, I can  provide further  details/info on  the comparison
> during today's teleconf. We'll try to put all this material on the wiki as
> soon as possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Francesco & Mario
>
>
>
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Dr. Jelte T. A. de Jong
Sterrewacht Leiden
Leiden University, Leiden, the Netherlands
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